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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 93 18:41:20 PST From: Info-Hams Mailing List and Newsgroup <info-hams@ucsd.edu> Errors-To: Info-Hams-Errors@UCSD.Edu Reply-To: Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu Precedence: Bulk Subject: Info-Hams Digest V93 #1347 To: Info-Hams Info-Hams Digest Sun, 14 Nov 93 Volume 93 : Issue 1347 Today's Topics: >>>What do I do now? ANS-317 BULLETINS Daily Summary of Solar Geophysical Activity for 13 November Elmers are dead, god help us HAMS! (3 msgs) Send Replies or notes for publication to: <Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu> Send subscription requests to: <Info-Hams-REQUEST@UCSD.Edu> Problems you can't solve otherwise to brian@ucsd.edu. Archives of past issues of the Info-Hams Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/info-hams". We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 14 Nov 1993 21:47:19 GMT From: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!crcnis1.unl.edu!unlinfo.unl.edu!mcduffie@network.ucsd.edu Subject: >>>What do I do now? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Previous text deleted... >>>Any help? >> >>>Peace es 73, >> >>>Doug N0YVW >> >>Now, if that doesn't say something about the current licensing >>situation, nothing will. >> >>Gary (McDuffie) >Gary: What does your supercilious answer say about current attitudes >of experienced hams toward newcomers? >Doug: Welcome to ham radio! >Before you do anything else, find an "Elmer". That is a term >describing an old-timer in ham radio who is always interested in >helping newcomers to the ham world. In spite of Gary's ill-tempered >reply, you will find plenty of willing helpers to get you started. >I have held my call for 53 years, but I am not so forgetful (yet):-) >not to remember how green I was when I started! >Surely there are lots of hams at the U. of Nebraska! Ask around. >73 & good luck! Van - W8UOF >wvanhorn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu { {Supercilious - Thanks! I had to look that one up. I enjoy improving {the vocabulary from time to time. { It was not meant to be either kind or helpful. And if you read it properly, you will see that it was not unkind toward the author, only the system that put him in that position. It's pitiful, and really proves what a sad state the amateur service has fallen to. For the most part, this has been brought on by lack of guidance from our one national origanization, the ARRL, and the FCC. At this rate, amateur radio has a much shortened life expectancy. It's really too bad. Ham radio has been my life since age 15. It has provided me with a career in two electronics fields, and now third and fourth ones. Today's newcomer to amateur radio has very little to look forward to, in many cases. 73, Gary ..> Doug... if you are one of the people who thought this message was negative toward you, please read it again. It is not. You can't help (for the most part), the fact that no one has helped you along the way. You have somehow found a way to get a license. That shows initiative. Look around the neighborhoods. Look for antennas. Knock on doors where you see antennas and introduce yourself to the owners of this hardware hanging overhead. That's how we got the answers in the old days. That's where we found out about operating procedures and accepted practices. That's where we talked on our first microphone or pounded, very shakily, our first HI using a hand key to the guy on the other end. That's where we learned what a "final" was, what a dipole, a zepp, a beam, a quad, a double bazooka, a windom, and ladder line were. In short, the locals aren't going to come to you, you have to hunt them up, shake their hand, and ask for help. I applaud people like Gary Coffman, who always seems to have the time to take with people and help them out. I didn't worry about trying to answer the specific questions asked by you, Doug, because I knew Gary would. I merely expressed my disgust with a system that would put you in the position of alreads. -- gm ------------------------------ Date: 15 Nov 93 01:04:44 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: ANS-317 BULLETINS To: info-hams@ucsd.edu SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-317.01 DO-17 TELEMETRY FORMAT HR AMSAT NEWS SERVICE BULLETIN 317.01 FROM AMSAT HQ SILVER SPRING, MD NOVEMBER 13, 1993 TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS BT BID: $ANS-317.01 WD0E Explains Some Of DO-17's Telemetry Format In response to several requests, the following is a breakdown of inform- ation in the STATUS line presently being transmitted by DOVE. Note this applies to DOVE and to this version of the software only. Counting from the left, the first pair of numbers being 0. All data is in hex. 0 - Receiver status. Bits 0 - 3 = Filter status of RX A-D: 0 = 1200, 1 = 4800. Bits 4 - 7 = gain settings of IR sensor. Normal = 8 = log mode. Normal for whole position is 80 = IR in log, filters in 1200. NOTE: receivers in DOVE are for commanding only. 1 - Unused 2 - Unused 3 - BCR Set point. Is adjusted by housekeeping task software to provide best power transfer from panels to regulators. Normally 1E during eclipse and in the 80's in the sun. Roughly corresponds to telemetry channel 22h. 4 - Number of hours since last command. See 18. 5 - BCR status bits. Indicates status of various latches in the BCR used to gather telemetry. 6 - Transmitter power level, 0 to F. First number is TX1, second is TX2, although they will normally be the same. 7 - Which transmitter is in use. Bit 0 (LSB) is TX1, bit 1 is TX2. So a hex 02 indicates TX2 is in use, 01 would be TX1. 8 - Unused 9 - Status of switches in the voice/packet/s-band module (4). Will allways be D0 in this verson. 10 - Unused 11 - When WOD is in use, shows the number of samples taken/16. This provides a positive indication a collection has started, how far it has proceeded and when the sample bucket is full. 12 - Low end of nominal transmitter power range. See 13 13 - High end of nominal transmitter power range. The house keeping software moves the transmitter power between these two numbers to control the charge/discharge of the batteries, and keep the transmitter power as high as possible. 14 - Time between executions of the power control software in seconds. 15 - The transmitter power level that is set if the batteries get abnormally discharged. Normally 5. 16 - Count of errors on the s/c internal bus. This will increment on DOVE because module 4 no longer consistently responds. 17 - Overflow from 16. 18 - Days till the command timer will expire. Defaults to 2 on software start. Normally kept at F. This is another of the software 'watchdogs' that attempt to assure the 2M transmitter doesn't get stuck on forever. If the s/c does not hear a command in this number of days, it jumps to the ROM boot loader firmware which turns all transmitters off. 19 - The module number the errors in 16 came from. 20 - Internal state related to transmitter lock-on avoidance. Normally 1. Note that these are somewhat different on the Microsats, and change from time to time as software is modified. [The AMSAT News Service (ANS) would like to thank Jim White (WD0E) for this bulletin item.] /EX SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-317.02 AMSAT OPS NET SCHEDULE HR AMSAT NEWS SERVICE BULLETIN 317.02 FROM AMSAT HQ SILVER SPRING, MD NOVEMBER 13, 1993 TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS BT BID: $ANS-317.02 Current AMSAT Operations Net Schedule For AO-13 AMSAT Operations Nets are planned for the following times. Mode-B Nets are conducted on AO-13 on a downlink frequency of 145.950 MHz. If, at the start of the OPS Net, the frequency of 145.950 MHz is being used for a QSO, OPS Net enthusiasts are asked to move to the alternate frequency of 145.955 MHz. Date UTC Mode Phs NCS Alt NCS 28-Nov-93 0230 B 39 WJ9F VE2LVC 12-Dec-93 0435 B 180 W9ODI WB6LLO 3-Jan-94 0200 B 160 WA5ZIB N7NQM Any stations with information on current events would be most welcomed. Also, those interested in discussing technical issues or who have questions about any particular aspect of OSCAR statellite operations, are encouraged to join the OPS Nets. In the unlikely event that either the Net Control Station (NCS) or the alternate do not call on frequency, any participant is invited to act as the NCS. ************************************** Slow Scan Television on AO-13 SSTV sessions will be held on immediately after the OPS Nets a downlink on a Mode-B downlink frequency 145.960 MHz. /EX SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-317.03 WEEKLY OSCAR STATUS REPORTS HR AMSAT NEWS SERVICE BULLETIN 317.03 FROM AMSAT HQ SILVER SPRING, MD NOVEMBER 13, 1993 TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS BT BID: $ANS-317.03 Weekly OSCAR Status Reports: 13-NOV-93 AO-13: Current Transponder Operating Schedule: L QST *** AO-13 TRANSPONDER SCHEDULE *** 1993 Nov 15-Jan 31 Mode-B : MA 0 to MA 95 ! / Eclipses, max Mode-B : MA 95 to MA 180 ! OFF Dec 07 - 24. < duration 136 Mode-B : MA 180 to MA 218 ! \ minutes. Mode-S : MA 218 to MA 220 !<- S beacon only Mode-S : MA 220 to MA 230 !<- S transponder; B trsp. is OFF Mode-BS : MA 230 to MA 256 ! Blon/Blat 240/-5 Omnis : MA 250 to MA 150 ! Move to attitude 180/0, Jan 31 DOVE: DO-17 currently sending AX.25 packet telemetry on a downlink frequency of 145.825 MHz. Please send any telemetry that you capture to PY2BJO at his INTERNET address of py2bjo@amsat.org. [WD0HHU] AO-16: Operating normally. [WH6I] UO-22: Operating normally. [WH6I] LO-19: Operating normally. [WH6I] KO-23: Up and running. Busy as usual. There are a number of images. [WH6I] KO-25: File system is up but not open for uploads. It appears that the satellite has taken and EIS image, but it is not available. [WH6I] IO-26: Up and running with a lot of activity. [WH6I] FO-20: The FO-20 Command Station has reported that a failure was detected in FO-20 digital command system. Therefore, operation will continue only in the analog mode for awhile. [JJ1WTK/3] The AMSAT NEWS Service (ANS) is looking for volunteers to contribute weekly OSCAR status reports. If you have a favorite OSCAR which you work on a regular basis and would like to contribute to this bulletin, please send your observations to WD0HHU at his CompuServe address of 70524,2272, on INTERNET at wd0hhu@amsat.org, or to his local packet BBS in the Denver, CO area, WD0HHU @ W0LJF.#NECO.CO.USA.NOAM. Also, if you find that the current set of orbital elements are not generating the correct AOS/LOS times at your QTH, PLEASE INCLUDE THAT INFORMATION AS WELL. The information you provide will be of value to all OSCAR enthusiasts. /EX ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1993 21:37:57 MST From: library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!adec23!ve6mgs!usenet@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Daily Summary of Solar Geophysical Activity for 13 November To: info-hams@ucsd.edu /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ DAILY SUMMARY OF SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY 13 NOVEMBER, 1993 /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ (Based In-Part On SESC Observational Data) SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY INDICES FOR 13 NOVEMBER, 1993 ------------------------------------------------------------ !!BEGIN!! (1.0) S.T.D. Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for DAY 317, 11/13/93 10.7 FLUX=094 90-AVG=093 SSN=032 BKI=1231 2321 BAI=007 BGND-XRAY=B2.9 FLU1=2.1E+06 FLU10=1.2E+04 PKI=2132 3221 PAI=008 BOU-DEV=008,014,021,009,019,030,016,006 DEV-AVG=015 NT SWF=03:033 XRAY-MAX= M2.1 @ 0629UT XRAY-MIN= B1.7 @ 2256UT XRAY-AVG= C1.3 NEUTN-MAX= +003% @ 0740UT NEUTN-MIN= -001% @ 2230UT NEUTN-AVG= +0.3% PCA-MAX= +0.1DB @ 1310UT PCA-MIN= -0.5DB @ 1525UT PCA-AVG= -0.0DB BOUTF-MAX=55361NT @ 1112UT BOUTF-MIN=55334NT @ 1831UT BOUTF-AVG=55353NT GOES7-MAX=P:+000NT@ 0000UT GOES7-MIN=N:+000NT@ 0000UT G7-AVG=+070,+000,+000 GOES6-MAX=P:+118NT@ 1543UT GOES6-MIN=N:-059NT@ 1055UT G6-AVG=+091,+015,-031 FLUXFCST=STD:095,095,095;SESC:095,095,095 BAI/PAI-FCST=010,010,010/010,010,010 KFCST=2233 4322 2233 4322 27DAY-AP=006,007 27DAY-KP=3211 1212 2322 2311 WARNINGS=*SWF ALERTS=**MINFLR:M1.1@0417UTC;**MINFLR:M2.1/1F@0628UTC !!END-DATA!! NOTE: The Effective Sunspot Number for 12 NOV 93 is not available. The Full Kp Indices for 12 NOV 93 are: 2o 2o 2- 1+ 2- 1o 1o 0+ SYNOPSIS OF ACTIVITY -------------------- Solar activity was moderate. Region 7618 (N09E62), the sole spotted region visible, produced an M2.1/1F flare at 0628Z. It is also the likely site of an M1 event at 0417Z, when clouds hampered optical patrol. The region consists of ribbons of bright plage, and a possible delta configuration in the trailer spots. Solar activity forecast: solar activity is expected to persist at the moderate level, with additional M-class flares likely from Region 7618. The geomagnetic field has been at quiet to unsettled levels for the past 24 hours. Geophysical activity forecast: the geomagnetic field is expected to be unsettled. Event probabilities 14 nov-16 nov Class M 60/60/60 Class X 05/05/05 Proton 05/05/05 PCAF Green Geomagnetic activity probabilities 14 nov-16 nov A. Middle Latitudes Active 10/10/10 Minor Storm 05/05/05 Major-Severe Storm 05/01/01 B. High Latitudes Active 20/20/20 Minor Storm 10/10/10 Major-Severe Storm 05/05/05 HF propagation conditions continued normal over all regions. One additional confirmed SWF was associated with the M2.1 flare at 13/0628Z, although it was fairly brief. Similar near-normal conditions are expected to persist over the next 72 hours. A moderate to high probability exists for possible additional SWF activity over daylit paths. COPIES OF JOINT USAF/NOAA SESC SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL REPORTS ======================================================== REGIONS WITH SUNSPOTS. LOCATIONS VALID AT 13/2400Z NOVEMBER ----------------------------------------------------------- NMBR LOCATION LO AREA Z LL NN MAG TYPE 7618 N09E62 337 0370 EAI 11 022 BETA 7616 N06W31 070 PLAGE 7617 S15W43 082 PLAGE REGIONS DUE TO RETURN 14 NOVEMBER TO 16 NOVEMBER NMBR LAT LO NONE LISTING OF SOLAR ENERGETIC EVENTS FOR 13 NOVEMBER, 1993 ------------------------------------------------------- BEGIN MAX END RGN LOC XRAY OP 245MHZ 10CM SWEEP 0011 0017 0024 C2.0 2700 85 0017 0018 0018 1200 0057 0104 0113 C1.5 100 0410 0417 0421 M1.1 38 0539 0539 0539 170 0555 0628 0647 7618 N08E73 M2.1 1F 0805 0805 0806 120 0848 0848 0849 230 1038 1039 1039 1500 POSSIBLE CORONAL MASS EJECTION EVENTS FOR 13 NOVEMBER, 1993 ----------------------------------------------------------- BEGIN MAX END LOCATION TYPE SIZE DUR II IV NO EVENTS OBSERVED INFERRED CORONAL HOLES. LOCATIONS VALID AT 13/2400Z --------------------------------------------------- ISOLATED HOLES AND POLAR EXTENSIONS EAST SOUTH WEST NORTH CAR TYPE POL AREA OBSN NO DATA SUMMARY OF FLARE EVENTS FOR THE PREVIOUS UTC DAY ------------------------------------------------ Date Begin Max End Xray Op Region Locn 2695 MHz 8800 MHz 15.4 GHz ------ ---- ---- ---- ---- -- ------ ------ --------- --------- --------- 12 Nov: 0025 0032 0040 B8.8 0119 0123 0128 B3.4 0146 0154 0203 B3.8 0554 0559 0603 B8.2 0647 0738 0746 B7.2 0757 0800 0802 B5.5 SF 7618 N09E81 0829 0838 0846 C1.6 0958 1006 1014 B6.0 1057 1100 1103 B2.8 SF 7618 N09E81 1353 1357 1400 B4.4 1441 1614 1651 C3.5 1754 1805 1809 C3.5 SF 7618 N11E78 1942 1945 1948 C1.3 1953 2000 2008 C3.7 SF 7618 N10E77 2035 2038 2042 C1.9 SF 7618 N11E78 33 2045 2048 2050 C2.1 2127 2132 2135 C1.2 2154 2200 2204 C2.2 SF 7618 N08E78 58 2251 2302 2308 C3.0 SF 7618 N11E65 2318 2322 2326 C1.5 2331 2334 2336 C1.4 REGION FLARE STATISTICS FOR THE PREVIOUS UTC DAY ------------------------------------------------ C M X S 1 2 3 4 Total (%) -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --- ------ Region 7618: 5 1 0 8 0 0 0 0 008 (36.4) Uncorrellated: 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 014 (63.6) Total Events: 022 optical and x-ray. EVENTS WITH SWEEPS AND/OR OPTICAL PHENOMENA FOR THE LAST UTC DAY ---------------------------------------------------------------- Date Begin Max End Xray Op Region Locn Sweeps/Optical Observations ------ ---- ---- ---- ---- -- ------ ------ --------------------------- 12 Nov: 0119 0123 0128 B3.4 III 0214 0225 0235 M2.0 SF 7618 N08E82 II 1754 1805 1809 C3.5 SF 7618 N11E78 III 1942 1945 1948 C1.3 III 2035 2038 2042 C1.9 SF 7618 N11E78 III 2045 2048 2050 C2.1 III 2127 2132 2135 C1.2 III 2154 2200 2204 C2.2 SF 7618 N08E78 III,V 2251 2302 2308 C3.0 SF 7618 N11E65 III NOTES: All times are in Universal Time (UT). Characters preceding begin, max, and end times are defined as: B = Before, U = Uncertain, A = After. All times associated with x-ray flares (ex. flares which produce associated x-ray bursts) refer to the begin, max, and end times of the x-rays. Flares which are not associated with x-ray signatures use the optical observations to determine the begin, max, and end times. Acronyms used to identify sweeps and optical phenomena include: II = Type II Sweep Frequency Event III = Type III Sweep IV = Type IV Sweep V = Type V Sweep Continuum = Continuum Radio Event Loop = Loop Prominence System, Spray = Limb Spray, Surge = Bright Limb Surge, EPL = Eruptive Prominence on the Limb. 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South KEY: East and west limbs are to the left and right respectively. Emission strength, from minimum to maximum are coded in the following way: [space] . , : ; - + | ! 1 2 3 4 * # @ Units used are arbitrary, for illustrative purposes. Get "showasc.zip" from "pub/solar/Software" at the anonymous FTP site: xi.uleth.ca (IP # 142.66.3.29) to view these images on VGA screens. ** End of Daily Report ** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1993 23:52:03 GMT From: library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jfh@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Elmers are dead, god help us HAMS! To: info-hams@ucsd.edu For what it's worth, I'm a relatively new (spring this year) no-code tech. levin@cosmic.physics.utah.edu (Chris Levin) wrote: >Old hams helping new hams, Yea right. First of all, most of you >old hams don't even bother to respond to a call you don't know. >Do you have any idea how frustrating it is to call KB7YOU monitoring, I don't usually respond to "monitoring" calls from people I don't know. If I want to talk to someone, I'll say "KD6TTL, anyone listening?", or something similar. "KD6TTL monitoring" says what I'm doing, not what I want other people to do (reply). Also, I joined a local ham club and ARES; that gave me people to talk to. >I also wonder what all of these knobs on my HF rig (Kenwood TS-820) do. >The manual does not tell me, it just gives a tune up procedure. How >do I adjust my power on CW or SSB so as not to be rude like other >hams I hear on HF? Does the fact that I can't guess the answer because >of poor manuals make me a bad person or am I just stupid? I don't have an HF rig yet, but the ones I've seen were certainly not designed to be user friendly. I don't know why they do that. It certainly doesn't make you stupid. As far as talking on repeaters goes, it helps to just listen for a while. I bought my HT after I passed the test. By the time my license arrived, I had some idea what to do. Practices vary from place to place, so listening and asking locals is really the only way to tell what to do. -- ---------------------------------------------------- Jack Hamilton POB 281107 SF CA 94128 USA jfh@netcom.com kd6ttl@w6pw.#nocal.ca.us.na ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 93 19:05:10 EST From: library.ucla.edu!agate!linus!linus.mitre.org!mwvm.mitre.org!M14494@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Elmers are dead, god help us HAMS! To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <1993Nov14.213453.29632@math.utah.edu> levin@cosmic.physics.utah.edu (Chris Levin) writes: >Old hams helping new hams, Yea right. First of all, most of you >old hams don't even bother to respond to a call you don't know. >Do you have any idea how frustrating it is to call KB7YOU monitoring, >get no reply and then 30 seconds later hear one of you old farts jump >on and start talking to a fellow geriatric case?... > Speaking for old farts everywhere, I think you're making too strong a case here. Old farts are just like everyone else; some are nice and some aren't. If you want to talk to someone on a repeater, just say so.` "Monitoring" means just that. Call CQ, or say "anyone wanna talk?" or something like that if you just want someone to chat with; "monitoring" does not mean "CQ". It's to let someone who might be looking for you that you are on the repeater. HF is a real mess these days, especially 20 meter phone. CW is a little less awful; stick with that. Mike, N4PDY (licensed for 30 fun-filled years). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1993 21:34:53 GMT From: usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ub!csn!hellgate.utah.edu!math.utah.edu!cosmic.physics.utah.edu!levin@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Elmers are dead, god help us HAMS! To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Hello, This letter is addressed to the group as a whole but particularly towards Gary McDuffie. Gary reciently replied to the following letter: (From Doug N0YVW) Question: Now what? I don't have a clue about what the controls on the front of my trusty old HW-101 do (whats a final? What's a Driver Preselector) How do I regulate my power output? In short, what in the world do I do? Etcetera...... Gary's less than helpful reply was: Now, if that doesn't say something about the current licensing situation, nothing will. Now, before I give my response I want you all to know that it is not my intention to start a flame war nor to beat on Gary any more than I feel he deserves. However, I have read and listened to too many responses of this type from people who claim to be HAMS. (By this I mean that a true HAM is not just someone with a ticket.) I have finally reached the end of my rope so its time to respond! I have been involved with ham radio since the early 80's. I was involved with my high school radio club and have always had an interest. Since I am now an engineering student I decided it was time for me to get my license. I felt that being a HAM would allow me to apply my classroom learning and at the same time help me to learn new and interesting things. I also wanted to be a member of what I thought was an interesting and friendly group (Something you don't find much of these days). I waited for weeks for it to arrive, started practicing morse so I could earn a general ticket and got myself some radios and built a few accesories. Well the license arrived and now, 3 months later, I'm about ready to chuck the whole thing and Gary and his buddies are the reason why. Old hams helping new hams, Yea right. First of all, most of you old hams don't even bother to respond to a call you don't know. Do you have any idea how frustrating it is to call KB7YOU monitoring, get no reply and then 30 seconds later hear one of you old farts jump on and start talking to a fellow geriatric case? It happens way to often for me to believe that you just happened to turn on your radio 20 seconds after I stop calling. Well, after having this happen lots of times on repeaters and U/Vhf simplex, I decided to jump into HF. I've got my code down and I'm looking forward to the test not so I can talk to any of you but simply to prove that a young, stupid, Nintendo playing no code can enter your glorified world of HF. If anything HF is worse. You flip on your kilowatt powered xcivers, and blow apart the airwaves do discuss the state of your bowels with a friend two states away. You can't even here me over your self generated noise. Not that you would respond if you could. So enough of this blasting of older, higher than tech hams. I feel much better now. But back to the origonal reason I posted this. Gary, would you care to explain to me what is wrong with Dougs request for help??? I also wonder what all of these knobs on my HF rig (Kenwood TS-820) do. The manual does not tell me, it just gives a tune up procedure. How do I adjust my power on CW or SSB so as not to be rude like other hams I hear on HF? Does the fact that I can't guess the answer because of poor manuals make me a bad person or am I just stupid? Hey, concept, maybe I'm just new to this and need some help from an experienced HAM who gives a damn and believes in the ideals that created this hobby in the first place. People like YOU ruin the hobby, not new no-codes who are still learning. I don't know what you do for a living but if you are not an EE or computer scientest god help you if you ever post a how do I do this question of either of these subjects. I will rip you to shreds because in these fields I AM AN EXPERT. And since you know nothing and are a new comer, I'll just do onto you as you did onto Doug and all the rest of us newbies. Get a life and do what your mother told you. "If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything" Also remember, not all new no-codes are looking for cheap cellulars, or family intercoms. Most of us would probably enjoy doing more than talking on repeaters if ony we could find someone to show us how. Get with the spirit and be a HAM not just a jerk with a radio. Sincerly, Chris Levin (KB7YOU) Soon to be bugging you on HF (If I can ever figure out those knobs!) PS: Doug, If you are still out there and have not figured these things out. Email me and I'll share with you the stuff I've learned so far. I think I can answer most of your questions. PPS: Welcome to the hobby, such as it is. EMAIL: levin@cosmic.physics.utah.edu ------------------------------ End of Info-Hams Digest V93 #1347 ****************************** ******************************